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Old 05-12-2008, 11:12 AM   #1
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Hi! I'm Red XIII, just registered here after discovering this site about.. 20 minutes ago. I've been reading the forums and find them all very helpful, so I thought I'd pick your brains about some things that are bothering me.

Firstly, I'm 18, in college (UK version lol) and wanting to be a games programmer. Now I recently had to drop 2/3 of my classes because of an illness with a family member who I had to look after, so now all I have left is ICT. This means I'll have to spend another 2 years at college before I can go to university... and then if I complete the BSc degree I'm planning I'll be 24 by the time I'm done... is this too old? Or am I just fretting over nothing lol.

Second, I'm not sure as to what subjects I should take now. I only have ICT AS at the moment (Sorry, I dont know what the equivalent US termanology is ><) and am doing A2 from september. Also in september I need to pick up 2 more subjects so I can earn enough grades to go to university.

What classes should I be taking? There is a course in game development which I'm looking into which would occupy all my time and not allow me to take any other subjects, but is worth 3 A-levels which would get me into university. Should I do this, or take something else like maths and..something.

Ok, last thing (I can think of ><. When I get into university, I was planning to take a BSc in computer science and was wondering if this is the right type of degree to take in order to be a programmer.

Anyway, the core of it all is this:

Is 24/25 an ok age to be entering into the games industry?

Should I take the course in game development or take seperate subjects related to programming such as maths.

Is a computer science degree the right thing to choose if I want a future as a programmer.

And.. If you train as a games programmer, then fail to get into the industry. Can you use the programming skills you have to seek other jobs outside the games industry that need programmers?

Very wordy post, I appologise. ><
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Old 05-12-2008, 12:09 PM   #2
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I'm planning I'll be 24 by the time I'm done... is this too old?
No, that was the age when I joined the industry.

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What classes should I be taking?
The usual, Maths and/or Physics. Other then that, just take something you would enjoy regardless if it is related to what you want to do. I did Maths, Physics and Art when I was doing my A-levels.

I would however like to look at the Games course so if you can provide a link, I can possibly offer advice if it would be useful to you or not. Regardless, a better foundation knowledge in maths and/or physics is usually preferred.

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Is a computer science degree the right thing to choose if I want a future as a programmer.
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And.. If you train as a games programmer, then fail to get into the industry. Can you use the programming skills you have to seek other jobs outside the games industry that need programmers?
Yes.
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Old 05-12-2008, 12:40 PM   #3
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This is the games development course. Not many details on the actual course though :/ need to see someone about that.

http://www.bradfordcollege.ac.uk/cgi...show.pl?id=272

This one is a course at huddersfield uni that looks good to me, but you may have a different opinion.

http://www2.hud.ac.uk/courses/undergrad/00000506.php

And this one is the computer science degree.

http://www.brad.ac.uk/university/ugpros/computing.php#1
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Old 05-13-2008, 05:34 AM   #4
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Yes info on the Game development course would be good. Some courses are focussed (game design, game programming) others cover the entire development process, from design, to art, to programming and into marketing. The wide ranging ones can be good for providing a background on each subject, but you really don't get enough time to focus on a specific area (they have to cater for non-programmers in the programming module so year 1 = programming console apps for example).
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Old 05-14-2008, 10:23 AM   #5
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Thanks for the opinions so far I've put up links to the courses I was looking at. I've been looking at the sort of things required when applying for a job as a programmer and I see alot of 'Must have # years experience in the games industry' >.> This seems like a HUGE road block lol.

Also, I've been to my local bookstore to look for the types of books I could learn from an there are literally hundreds! C#, C++, Python, java, javascript etc etc x.x; How are you supposed to know where to start and what is useful/useless? I've heard C# isn't wanted... but then again I've heard C# is a good place to start. What do you guys recommend?
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Well, the College listing tells us sod all (not your fault ) so I might give them a ring in the next couple of days to get some details.

As for University courses, what is usually recommended is to do a standard Computer Science degree and specialise afterwards on a Post-Graduate course.

However, there have been a couple of game courses of equal quality, University of Derby and University of Hull. Derby especially is in high demand because of the limited number of spaces but I have been incredibly impressed by the students I have talked to at GamesEdu.

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I've been looking at the sort of things required when applying for a job as a programmer and I see alot of 'Must have # years experience in the games industry' >.> This seems like a HUGE road block lol.
You are looking at the wrong jobs, you need to be looking for Graduate/Junior roles.

As for starting now, have you had any previous programming experience?
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Old 05-14-2008, 11:21 AM   #7
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No I've never had experience with programming before, I was just browsing for future reference. I would like to at least get a very basic understanding of it before I go to uni.

I've just looked at the University of Derby website. I think I would like to go there... I'd have to move though :P If I'm honest, the University/College of Bradford is terrible >< I'm only there because it's close and I can't drive yet.

Anyway, I'm assuming it's possible to get a basic knowledge of programming before I go to uni, am I right? No harm in picking up a book or two >.>

My biggest worry is that my brother has a BSc is games design or development or something, and he hasn't been able to get a job for almost 2 years now! I don't want that to happen to me x.x;

Oh, one thing... I don't mean to sound crude but how much does a programmer get payed? >.> Just curious, I'm not really planning to do it for the money, I think it's something I would enjoy lol
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Old 05-15-2008, 04:19 AM   #8
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I once had a bookmark for a website that listed average regional pay rates for it jobs but can't remember for the life of me what it was so instead... Entry level pay (for j2me game programmers anyway) up in Manchester is around 18,000 / year,and down here in london it tends to be closer to 24,000 / year.

As for languages to learn... C++ is "The Daddy" at the moment. Most of your modern games have been done in C++. That being said It has one of the steepest learning curves and can be quite challenging to learn on your own. I started looking into it when I was 12, and didn't really get any functioning graphical games working until about 3 years later (I used other languages, like Basic instead). It's still to be seen whether C# will sucessfully take over from C++ for game development. If you want to program using the XNA framework (meaning games that can also be run on an X-box 360) then C# is a good starting point. Learning J2me could be good too, since mobile game development (at least for me) tends to be easier to get into. Possibly because it's easier to make a demo the looks like commercial mobile games, than it is for a console game.


Edit: And if you really want to spark a little interest in your skills... learn to program in Whitespace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitesp...ming_language) ). It's one of the greatest languages ever!

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This forum rocks ^^ thanks for the help so far. I actually have a C++ book which my brother bought and never used, although it's one of those 'For Dummies' books so I never looked at it.

One thing I am curious about is how hard it is to learn multiple languages. If you learn one language, is it then easier to learn another? Or is it the same difficulty?
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Anyway, I'm assuming it's possible to get a basic knowledge of programming before I go to uni, am I right? No harm in picking up a book or two >.>
Definitely. Although if you are starting out, I highly recommend using a high level language like Python rather then C++. There are plenty of tutorials on the Python homepage but a good free eBook to read would be 'How to think like a Computer Scientist (Python)'.

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My biggest worry is that my brother has a BSc is games design or development or something, and he hasn't been able to get a job for almost 2 years now! I don't want that to happen to me x.x;
If it is a Games Design degree then I am not surprised to be honest, they are usually 'jack of all trades' courses and VERY few companies will hire generalists and/or entry level designers with no experience. If it is Games Development then I would like to know which University if that is possible.

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One thing I am curious about is how hard it is to learn multiple languages. If you learn one language, is it then easier to learn another? Or is it the same difficulty?
The key aspect here is learn how to program, not the language itself. As long as the languages are in the same or similar paradigm, they are usually quite easy to pick up. Different paradigms can cause problems though.
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