Programming Compilers Information

Siberianhusky89 · 11-20-2009, 11:48 AM

Heya guy, what I'm about to ask is kinda newbish, but I'm here to learn and willing.

Alrighty, well basically first, I want to say I have good news! My good friend Andy is going into the field of programming. What does this mean? This means that once he's learned well, he and I can work on a game to make a project. At first I felt like I would kinda be useless since I hardly know how to do much (I only know some of the very basics of python) and I'm no artist. However, he said I would be very useful if I was going to be going through the game documents and such, PLUS, I'm very talented when it comes to music, so I could also be the composer for the game. I know someone that knows about 3D modeling (mostly the lighting process, but it's a start)

Now then, moving on...

I was curious, what are the differences between compilers? I don't want to become a programmer myself, however, I want to learn more about programming. I'm gonna try learning a bit about C++ since I have the basics of Python down and can comprehend some of the more general stuff of what programming is.

What is the difference between something like Dev-C++ and Microsoft C++? What's the general differences?

kenshee · 11-20-2009, 01:19 PM

Most compilers today compile within ANSI standard, that is an agreed upon standard similar to ISO.

On the face of it there is no difference in the compilers themselves, they do the same things and come with a standard set of features ie. they compile and link your code. The major difference and this is semantics only is that the Microsoft compiler is proprietary and the Dev-C++ is opensource.

My recommendation is staying away from Dev-C++ as the IDE is old and hasn't been updated in a few years where as the Microsoft Visual Studio/C++ compiler is integrated with the .NET framework and much easier to use with DirectX and other technologies.

Siberianhusky89 · 11-20-2009, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kenshee

Most compilers today compile within ANSI standard, that is an agreed upon standard similar to ISO.

On the face of it there is no difference in the compilers themselves, they do the same things and come with a standard set of features ie. they compile and link your code. The major difference and this is semantics only is that the Microsoft compiler is proprietary and the Dev-C++ is opensource.

My recommendation is staying away from Dev-C++ as the IDLE is old and hasn't been updated in a few years where as the Microsoft Visual Studio/C++ compiler is integrated with the .NET framework and much easier to use with DirectX and other technologies.

I see... The only problem I have with that is that there's this one tutorial online on youtube that's very clear and efficient, however, the guy doing the tutorial wants us to download Dev-C++. I've come up with a game concept that's... Very innovative, however, I'm concerned with many issues of the game, plus, I'm not a programmer. The main issue being that it's kind of complex, another being an issue of balance (It's a fighting game), and the third being "Is it accessible to all people and will it be fun?"

kenshee · 11-21-2009, 01:59 PM

There are countless sources for learning programming just check any of the link below yaustars replies, unless your actually doing any programming it really doesn't make any difference about how complex it is.

As far as I can gather your designing the game and your buddy is the programmer, let him program your game in OpenGL if you want cross platform portability. Creating game balance is tweaking the game once you actually have something to work with I wouldn't worry about that until you have a solid platform to work on.

PS. Try python instead of C++ easier and faster.

Siberianhusky89 · 11-21-2009, 03:23 PM

Yeah, I know a bit about python, but I hear it's probably not as efficient, it's just faster to work with. By the way, I didn't want to post another topic so maybe you guys can help me, I'm trying to add a module to Python right now, however, it's not working, this is for class and I don't want to fail. Help please? "^^

yaustar · 11-22-2009, 05:55 AM

You are trying to add a module? Define 'not working'.

Siberianhusky89 · 11-23-2009, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by yaustar

You are trying to add a module? Define 'not working'.

Basically, it won't recognize something from the module... I'm pretty sure it probably doesn't know the module exists, I was fairly sure that I put the Livewires module in the right place, however, now I'm not so sure...

yaustar · 11-24-2009, 05:26 AM

If the module doesn't exist, it should give an error where you tried to 'include' it. What is the exact error message you get and post the source code.

Siberianhusky89 · 11-24-2009, 06:34 AM

File "C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Desktop\Astrocrash\astrocra sh02.py", line 7, in ?
games.init(screen_width = 640, screen_height = 480, fps = 50)
Attribute Error: Module object has no attribute 'init'

The thing is though, I ran the program at my College and it worked 100% fine. Suggestions?

yaustar · 11-24-2009, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by yaustar

If the module doesn't exist, it should give an error where you tried to 'include' it. What is the exact error message you get and post the source code.

I need to see ALL of the file.